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My Baby's Still Weeping : (

Postby cs3079 » Sat May 12, 2012 4:34 am

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Postby N41EF » Sat May 12, 2012 5:37 am

I would be tempted to take a multi tool and cut out the damaged section, let it dry out a day or so, then rebuild it. I used a bondo product that is grass resin mixed with chopped glass fiber, then glass over it when built back up. You can use peel ply to make the top glass layer smooth.

Not sure of the scope, but I would bet it would take about 6 hours to do the work, opening it up will let things dry out.
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Postby Chrysler20%26 » Sat May 12, 2012 11:57 am

???? Sorry I have nothing to offer, on the repair. But you broke it, so you fix it. Any fix is better than no fix, an that is why we did not spend the BIG money for a new boat. But was resting inside for 6 month's, an steal weeping. Even at a drop a hour, would add up to a lot of water. ???

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Postby EmergencyExit » Sat May 12, 2012 4:02 pm

Also to consider - do you wet slip the boat, or is it trailer sailed ? IE how much at at time is it in the water and opposed to out..

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Postby Bhacurly » Sat May 12, 2012 7:03 pm

IMHO,

A small hole? It's just as easy to patch a 1/2" hole as a 1/4, and I would sand all of the repair area again also, so drill bigger ones and rock the boat, jack up the front, then the rear, change the drain angle somewhat. My C-22 an project 27 both had water trapped in places that never would have drained and taken forever to just dry out. You may have to drill out a ways until you find the dry zone.... But start close to your existing hole an work out from there.

After changing the angle it would be good to get some acetone or alcohol into it and see how it drains. But, if there is a leak somewhere water will just get back into it also... And your back to a wet innerd.

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Postby Jmckamey » Mon May 14, 2012 12:52 am

If it were my boat I would remove the temp repair, apply heat to the damaged area in the form of a small heater in close proximity using some sort of box or other containing devise to keep the heat localized. I'd let that run for about 24 hrs. (making sure the temp stays within reason, say no more than 125 F or so). After replacing the damaged core with treated lumber bonded into place with an epoxy product I would repair the skin using 10 oz fiberglass cloth with an epoxy resin, sand smooth when cured. If a color match is important, then an epoxy paint could be used and would hold up fine. All this work could be completed in a three day period with the cure time being the hold up, probably looking at about three hours of actual hands on time. But hey, that's just me. :D
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Postby cs3079 » Mon May 14, 2012 1:59 am

Thanks so much all, you've each given me some good ideas and some thoughts to consider. Today's gonna be a beautiful day to get started! Sunny and in the seventies with 3-4 mph winds so I won't be too tempted to run out to Stony with the other boat.
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Postby thepartydog » Tue May 15, 2012 2:20 pm

If the water is from osmosis, you have to wash it regularly while drying or it will never dry properly. Man, that sentence sounds wrong, but it's true. Read this article and you will see what I'm talking about.

http://www.hshyachts.com/html/oh_no__my_boat_s_got_blisters_.html
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Postby Bhacurly » Tue May 15, 2012 3:18 pm

Darin's right,,,

Well in my case anyway. The capillary action of the glass can carry water a way's from the source,,, so water here will leak over there, so ta speak...

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Postby Capt. Bondo » Wed May 16, 2012 9:14 am

Do the C20's have floation foam in there innards like the C22's, if so water could be weeping from there :?
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Postby cs3079 » Wed May 16, 2012 2:20 pm

Thnks Capn'n B, Doh!, never thought of that! There's a large area sealed off right about where the weeping is occurring. I've pumped a lot of rainwater out of the storage and front keel bilge areas since I've owned her and this isn't a new issue. (Has anyone been in there?) Time to get the sabre saw out and have a look see. I'll bet....... and I'm sure it's probably time for some new float material too. Thanks

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Postby mcrandall » Wed May 16, 2012 6:57 pm

Mmmmhmmm.

Easy 300 pounds of the water logged "floatation" stuff came out of my starboard settee.
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Postby Chrysler20%26 » Wed May 16, 2012 10:45 pm

I an quite sure that I seen a post with a photo of all that plywood removed. An there was no foam flotation. ?? At the aft end of your cockpit, that storage spot where you keep your batteries an gas tank for outboard. There is a drain hole, looking up there from in side the boat you see a garden hose that runs from that drain hole to a throw howl. I have been there in my boat, that drain hose did not run throw any plywood. Does it on yours?

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Postby cs3079 » Thu May 17, 2012 7:57 am

Thanks again for all the comments and suggestions. I got some ideas about how to approach this from each of you! Now it's time to get off my big butt and do some preliminary investigation for myself, LOL! Anticipating what was sealed inside the C20 for 34 years was like waiting to see what was inside Al Capone's vault! Was it empty? filled with foam?, water?, or SNAKES!

Well, it was chuck full of very dense injected foam- lots of it!!! Using a wire dipstick, I tried to aim as much towards the keel as possible and she came up dry... in that spot. I suspect there's some water-logging as Mark found in his 22, but I decided the teardown and injection of new flotation material is for another day and another budget period. right now, I'm going to dry things up as best I can and patch her up to go. If it problems arise there again before I kick, I'll do it again' And, like Bob implied....just Get'r done!

BTW: Here's a video tour of an un-restored '78 C-20 interior... possibly the first, LM(fat)AO

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Postby cs3079 » Thu May 17, 2012 12:04 pm

Forgot all about this: last September, I posted a question regarding the purpose of a certain bolt in my hull, I surmised it was probably the remnants of a speedo and left it be.
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Looks like a home made drain plug? But why? I say find out what's on the other side, that will tell you what it's for, I doubt that it is OEM.


HAAH!!! He was right! It goes right through to the mystery compartment! Tip the trailer up and anything in there drains out. MY BABY HAS A TEAR DUCT! Finally took out the bolt.......bone dry :D

OK I'm done flapping about this. Burned a whole day screwing with it. Time to patcher up and getter in LMAO

Thanks again all
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- Earnest K. Gann

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Postby CaptainScott » Thu May 17, 2012 1:30 pm

I Like the idea of a drain plug! Especially for a trailer sailor!

Hmmm . . . . .

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Postby Chrysler20%26 » Thu May 17, 2012 11:08 pm

Thank you Bruce, I did not know about the floation foam. An I like the drain plug idea. For your repair I would use Bondo The older type, non fiber glass. That stuff will wick water, not trap it in. Have some duct tape on hand, to use as a form to hold the Bondo up on till it sets up.

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Postby Chrysler20%26 » Sat May 19, 2012 11:45 pm

Will I'm weighting, to see what worked. Did you like my Bondo idea, should take two hours ore less to fix keel trunk, an fill in other bumps.

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Postby cs3079 » Mon May 21, 2012 4:22 am

I love it! Thx Bob. The problem with two boats is one's always ready to go! (more or less) Was out in the DS2 Thursday with our Creekfleet when our little fleets commodore's husband (who owns a small sailboat shop) sold me on the benifits and ease of a vinylester repair.

Got the stuff Friday and was planning on doing it Sunday. Then WIFEY! brings up going sailing THAT morning! When momma initiates, I'm all there baby! She wanted to try the DS2.... With six people, one large, one medium cooler and a picnic basket the size of which, would make Yogi Bear swoon...LMAO. Uh ...no, not in the DS2, no can do, esp. w/ 13mph winds. So out went the C20, nasty looking' keel and all. : ) A sailor's gotta do what a sailor's gotta do. So today's fix it day. I'm no DiverDarren at repair speed (LMAO again) It was a wonderful, warm and sunny sail. No vids or pics this time, decided to give everyone a break.
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- Earnest K. Gann

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Postby Chrysler20%26 » Mon May 21, 2012 2:45 pm

A sailer has got to do: So Baby stop your weeping, we're going sailing. LOVE IT My C-26 sat in the driveway three years because I had two other boats ready to sail. Much better sailing them than working on them.


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