Overhaul... toe rail question.

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Overhaul... toe rail question.

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This maybe a redundant question... so bear with me. :? I have seen Mario G's pics of his toe rails removed from his c22. Are the toe rails of the c26 similar in nature and from what I can see fall under a shoebox type deck joint?. If anyone has pics of a removed c26 toe rail, please post.


This is an early pic of my c26 showing most of the toe rail.

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Is probably the same thing. You might want some help once you get all the screws out, that thing is awkward to handle.
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Gus

My plans at this point are to tie it off to the safety lines, this being mostly a one man show and not knowing what I'll run into underneath... may find it more than a one day job. I'll post pics myself as I go along.

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If you need help, let me know. I've done that job myself, much easier if you have help (I did it alone, total PITA)

I live in Monkey Junction by the way.
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I knew you were close... but I never realized that close. If you like I can pm my phone # and address... feel free to stop by any time if you would like to take a look at the old girl.

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Sure thing! I know how much it sucks to work on a boat alone! Specially when you have to remove those pesky stanchion bases and other assorted hardware with bolts inside the cabin!

My number is 910-528-4041. I'm usually busy during the morning, but in the afternoons, I'm free.

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Why would you pull the deck? That's a big job to do. When I removed mine (dear PO applied a lot of silicone) I scrapped the whole thing, and I applied 5200 all along the top seam (a generous amount) I'm happy to say that it hasn't leaked in over 4 years.
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Alan

The adhesive used on the toe rails is a good 30 years old, perhaps it is still good... perhaps not. I do not have a true history on this Chrysler, but the more I work my way through it the more I believe it was around here when the hurricanes came through in years past. Markers of past strike damage are seen from a bent forward pulpit to a bent section of the toe rail... small but still bent. A rebeding of the toe rail I feel is just as important as any other hardware for a boat of this age... plus I'll get to see first hand if there is any hidden damage underneath.

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Alan

Don't cut yourself short on your abilities; all I will be doing is following the advice found on the Chrysler sailing association website under the how to's for toe rails. What you may think sounds like a voice of experience is truly a voice of uncertainty. I dont even know how to sail at this point for crying out loud. :oops: I'm so new to all of this myself that I'm just trying not to miss anything that I will need to come back to fix latter. I'm sure c22's are also good old boats, but if it's your wish to one day sail a c26 of your own... I wish you the best of luck.

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Hi Terrence,

I have had to do this job with a damaged toe rail a couple of years ago, and I am about to do it again replacing the damaged one with one I just acquired.

The deck laps over the hull and the screws mounting the toe rail goes through the hull and back into the core of the deck. I've used 3M 5200 to bed the toe rail and the deck to the hull (This may make it a bit tough to pull to damaged rail off).

One of the problems I have is the deck has pulled up slightly from the hull, not enough to create a gap but enough that s makes it hard to catch the hull with the screws. I am going to have to rig a lever system to pull the deck down when I attach the toe rail/deck.

The core of the deck is also soft, it will not accept many screw entries. I will be injecting resin into the hull core before I attempt to drive any fasteners. When I fastened the repaired toe rail I used 3" #8 screws (upgraded from 2") and did not get a good bite on all of the screws. This is not a issue I want to leave the new toe rail with.

To that end I am considering backing the hull with 1/16" thick aluminum. The aluminum will go on the inside surface of the hull, between the hull and the inner surface of the deck. The screw will go through the toe rail hole, through the hull, through the aluminum and then into the hull. I will then fill the gap between the aluminum and hull with 3M 5200 adhesive, filling all of the gaps and waterproofing the joint.

If the rail is not loose, not leaking, I would not touch it.
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Windwalker

Thanks, your post is a gold mine of information and if you are able pics of this procedure would be great. There is a lot of truth to the old saying... if it's not broke don't fix it, but I have to many gut what-if questions, not to do this at some point. I hope you new toe rail fits like a glove.

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