URGENT C-22 help needed!!

LeatherneckPA · Post by **LeatherneckPA** » Sun May 16, 2010 6:36 pm

What was I thinking!!? I just won an auction on eBay for a 1978 C-22 currently in a slip in St Petersburg, FL. I know, I know ... I haven't even gotten the LS-16 in the water yet. But for only $1025 I just couldn't pass her up.

So here's what I need. I need photos of your trailers for your C-22's. I've got my eye on a 20' trailer for a decent price. It's got four bunkers on it and looks like it will accommodate a C-22 nicely. But I need pics from you to be sure, and to show the yard what modifications I want made on it to trailer this baby home. Fortunately, I already own a pick-up with a BIG engine and a factory tow package.

Next I need advice from you all about how you tie yours down for trailering. Do you just use a 2" ratcheted tie down across amidships like on my LS-16 or is it more involved? What do you do with all the wires and rigging? The PO for my LS-16 just wrapped them to the mast with duct tape reversed sticky side out.

If you have pics and measurements for the cradles for the mast and boom that would be really great. I'm a real wiz with woodworking and certain I can craft something if I have pics and measurements.

What else folks? You know this game a lot better than I do. I'm planning to drive the trailer to St Pete over Memorial Day weekend, pick up the boat, and trailer it back home. Hey, as long as I'm there I might even take her out for a sail on the Bay.

I'm sure more questions will pop up but anything you have that resembles "New Boats for Dummies" would be really appreciated.

ETA: What size outboard? I'm thinking that 5hp would be sufficient.

ETA #2: My e-mail is leatherneckpa AT comcast DOT net

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sun May 16, 2010 7:59 pm

Congrats, Leatherneck, and OOORAH! My trailer has rollers so it won't be of much help. Just wanted to send the congrats!

Paul

Mario G · Post by **Mario G** » Mon May 17, 2010 3:05 am

congrats Mike welcome to C-22 ownership. It will be great for any lake in your area.

I have pictures of my trailor build on my webshot pages, it worked great for a 600 mile move. Let me know if you need more pictures or mesurments?

I'm in central NC pick me up on your way thru, I know the St. Pete area real well and were to get the best gyros on the east coast.

sharps4590 · Post by **sharps4590** » Mon May 17, 2010 3:49 am

Congrats Mike. For a grand? Wow....hope it's everything you want!!!

Vic

John K · Post by **John K** » Mon May 17, 2010 5:09 am

Congrats! You can find a lot of trailer pics here:

http://www.sailingtexas.com/cboats99chrysler22.html

I think I've seen that boat. If it's the one I'm thinking of, the bulkheads and table had been covered with a granite looking laminate, and the deck was painted solid white. It appeared to be in pretty good condition. Good luck, and please be sure to double check those trailer bearings, ESPECIALLY if it's a single axle trailer! I had one burn up on the interstate on the way home from the purchase. It was extremely stressful. Changing out a bearing with tractor trailers whizzing by your head at 75mph is no fun.

John K · Post by **John K** » Mon May 17, 2010 6:52 am

Leatherneck, for what it's worth, I noticed that you posted this on sailnet.com as well. But, you only said it's a C-22, and did not say Chrysler. They are all going to think you mean Catalina 22, a far more popular boat. You may want to edit it, just thought I'd let you know, in case that matters to you. Cheers!

CaptainScott · Post by **CaptainScott** » Mon May 17, 2010 8:04 am

welcome the the Chrysler 22 owners group!

Maybe Alan (alanhod) still has his measurements available from rebuilding his trailer! His boat fit just about perfetly on his new trailer!!!

Scott

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Mon May 17, 2010 10:07 am

http://www.byershome.net/_Boat/Chrysler ... railer.htm

I would recommend a duel axle for safety and because most single axles are not really rated high enough. Brakes are a good idea too if your tow vehicles on the lite side.

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Mon May 17, 2010 11:24 am

Congrats Mike...welcome to the C-22 family...

As far as transporting the mast, I would suggest making a cradel out of wood, that will lay across the pulpit up on the bow, you can fasten it down with a few U-bolts, and then use rachet straps to secure the mast to it..

On the stern, I have another piece of wood cut from a 2x6, ( tall enough to lay the mast down without rubbing on the deck) that stands up against the center of the stern rail,( again fastened with U-bolts) and it has a notch cut out of it that allows the mast to sit in. once again you can secure the mast using rachet straps.

I then would suggest rolling up the rigging and use a lot of bungee cords to secure them to the mast, or better yet label them and take them off for you trip home.

If your boat has tie downs located on the stern you can strap it down at those two points, as well as using the winch & safety chain on the bow. as you know it wouldnt hurt to throw one across midships to give you that piece of mind..maybe place a cloth under the strap so it doesnt rub off any finish..

Happy sailing...Tim

parared · Post by **parared** » Mon May 17, 2010 1:22 pm

Hi Mike,

I bought my trailer after I bought my boat too

. Its got full bunkers, and you can see a couple of pictures here

http://arclite.dyndns.org:8111/~chris/c22/index.html

If that's like yours, let me know and I'll take some measurements for you. You can see that I had to raise the rear seat when I picked up my boat, but this last summer I measured and inserted spacers in the read and mid support points, and now she fits like a glove.

FWIW, check over that trailer. I had several weld cracks that I didn't even notice. I also replaced the hubs and wheels. Also, check the brackets that hold the springs in place. Mine were almost rotted through when I bought it.

I usually move my boat with a 2'' rathet strap across the rear, and the winch attached to the nose, but I'm only moving it about 5 miles.

LeatherneckPA · Post by **LeatherneckPA** » Mon May 17, 2010 1:31 pm

OK, first of all, let me thank all of you for the rapid and insightful responses. I'm impressed.

Now, there is some way to include multiple quotes from a variety of posts and respond to them all in one post. I just don't know how to do it on this forum. So I do it the old fashioned way, I take notes and then compose my replies.

MarioG, PM sent!

John K, good point which was brought to my attention when I looked at the first response on SailNet. It was a Catalina. I have since gone back and specified this is a Chrysler C-22.

(Call me weird but I like the fact that my new boat is "unusual". Reminds me of my favorite poem, Frost's "The Road Not Taken". I don't actually set out to do things different, but take a perverse pleasure in the fact that it often ends up that way.)

alanhod, PM sent.

Banshi, WOW!!! I hope you don't mind but I saved all of those trailer pics. They look fantastic and appear to be exactly what I would like to do to my trailer, including the fact that it is currently a single axle but I want to add one plus brakes. I don't suppose that you saved your measurements? LOVE that guide/rest for the swing keel too!

skyking, the cradle you describe is pretty much what I had in mind. I'm not sure if I'll remove and bag the rigging or just use the 100mph tape and reverse it to sticky side out. That's going to depend on how complicated a job I perceive it to be. (Dude, we are really aging ourselves just by admitting that we know who Sky King and Penny are!!)

EmergencyExit · Post by **EmergencyExit** » Mon May 17, 2010 1:41 pm

Was worse than aging yourself by knowing who Sky King and Penny are is being so flying obsessed as a kid that you know the plane was first a Cessna T-50, followed by a 310, and named "Songbird".

Songbird was a early choice for a boat name, but Emergency Exit won out easily since she was the quick escape we needed !

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Mon May 17, 2010 4:28 pm

Hi Mike

not sure what type of keel your boat has, but heres a picture of my fixed keel trailer.
To be honest I dont know who Skyking & Penny are?? It was my nick name in the service, because once I started skydiving I got addicted to it...Must of liked the wind in my face...

Tim

EmergencyExit · Post by **EmergencyExit** » Mon May 17, 2010 4:42 pm

Well then I'll give you a peek into a couple of old guy's TV memories !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LBEJiOZKNs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QottyzDRzXE

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Mon May 17, 2010 4:47 pm

Interesting,, Just a few years before my time...

Thanks for the previews though...

LeatherneckPA · Post by **LeatherneckPA** » Mon May 17, 2010 5:27 pm

Tim, mine is a swing keel and looking at the trailer I don't know that I'll really have to do all that modification. It's a 20' trailer that was designed to hold a big old powerboat with a V-8 engine. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but it looks to me like a swing keel boat might just lie right down on the existing bunkers.

Here's the eBay listing for the trailer I just bought. Didn't fool around with bidding. It had a low Buy Now price and I knew it was the one that I wanted. So I just paid the price.

http://tiny.cc/quire

FranS · Post by **FranS** » Mon May 17, 2010 6:14 pm

Sorry to break the bad news but those bunks are gonna have to be modified. It does not look like there is enough room to accommodate the keel above the axel. Should not be a difficult mod. I don't have he measurements you need, but Im sure soemone will pipe in.

Good luck with your new toy!

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Mon May 17, 2010 8:53 pm

I noticed too that Banshi's bow eye is way lower than mine. My winch is at least shoulder height.

And, speaking of strapping things down for the highway, I had mine flying across I-70 bringing it home and taking it for inspections, etc. Week before last I looked and noticed 1/2" space between the metal bracket on the bow eye and the fiberglass on the pointy end of the boat. Crawling up into the very front and looking into the inspection hole - My bow eye only had one nut on it and that only had about 8 threads left on the bolt!!!! It's been fixed now, and I also gained some ballast because one additional nut is somewhere in the bilge area.

The point - it doesn't hurt to have an extra rope or strap from the bow rails/stantions tied forward to the trailer for as far as you're going.

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Tue May 18, 2010 2:01 am

When I added the axle I kept the axle load center close to where it was for the single axle. The bunks are about 18" off the frame. This will vary depending on exactly where you put them. It really needs one more roller between the keel and the front roller.

Paul,
As to the bow eye I moved it down because the trailer winch was low and it just seemed to high. I just wanted it high enough to keep it out of the water and closer to the center of gravity. This also keeps the winch down where you can crank it pretty easily.

trev · Post by **trev** » Tue May 18, 2010 2:06 am

FranS wrote:Sorry to break the bad news but those bunks are gonna have to be modified. It does not look like there is enough room to accommodate the keel above the axel. Should not be a difficult mod. I don't have he measurements you need, but Im sure soemone will pipe in.

I'll agree with Fran, the bunks are going to need to be raised. I should have my trailer home and empty on Saturday, if you can wait that long I'll get you any measurements you need.

LeatherneckPA · Post by **LeatherneckPA** » Tue May 18, 2010 4:16 am

Fran,that's why I posted the link, so I could hear from folks in the know. I was going by eye, based on little photos, and have zero experience. Sometimes the most important thing to know is how little you know.

Banshi, is that 18" above the frame both front and rear? Again, it's just by the pics but your front one looks like it's shorter than the rear one. What did you use for timber for the bunk? First thing that comes to mind is pressure treated 2x6 or 2x8. I'd probably pick one several feet too long so I could cut the clearest section possible.

Trev, next week will be fine. I am driving out to IL to pick up the trailer next Monday and then home on Tuesday. That gives me until the following Sunday to make mods before I head to NC to pick up Mario.

2nd generation · Post by **2nd generation** » Tue May 18, 2010 6:28 am

I have trailered my C22 from Michigan to the Florida Keys and back about 3,300 miles round trip. I used a 2" rachet tie down at the bow. It was hooked to the bow deck cleat run down under the trailer and up the other side to the same deck cleat. Then put another at the stern. Make sure to tie a line to hold up your rudder too! If you think you might need to tie something down do it. I only disconnect my forestay to lower the mast and leave everything else connected. Run all the rigging along the mast and wrap it with your halyards. Make sure to loop and not kinck the rigging. Then use bungees and additional lines to make sure everything is secure. My mast is bungeed to the bow and stern rails. If you lose a tire and evrything is tied down you will be OK here is proof.

CaptainScott · Post by **CaptainScott** » Tue May 18, 2010 7:12 am

2nd generation wrote:

Call me old fashoined but hey, Aren't you supposed to have a tire on the starboard side of the trailer too??

LOL!

Sorry, I had to.

Scott

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Tue May 18, 2010 12:14 pm

Picky picky

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Tue May 18, 2010 12:25 pm

Leatherneck,

Like I said the height is going to vary depending on how far in/out forward/back you put the supports.My rear are about 22" above the keel support and the front are about 16". I used 2x6x8 PT for the bunks. That leaves the fully retraced keel about 2" above the board that supports it.

LeatherneckPA · Post by **LeatherneckPA** » Tue May 25, 2010 5:46 pm

Cindy has decided that we have to change the name of the boat. I've been planning on calling my boat Freehold for as long as I can remember. But she says that's old times and these are new times. Her choice is something I can live with. So the C-22 will become Daydream Believer.

Capt. Bondo · Post by **Capt. Bondo** » Wed May 26, 2010 8:56 am

2nd generation;
What really happened when you lost your tire?

Something us Chrysler trailer owners should look for?
This stuff is getting old and things begin to ware out and metal fatigue etc.

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