C 22 Rigging to cockpit

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:43 pm

One of the things on my To-Do List prior to launchung this spring is to run all of my rigging to the cockpit. I know that there are quite a few of you who have this set up. If it wasnt for all of the snow and having everything covered up with tarps, I guess I could measure the halyards and add abour 8 or so feet to the measurement.

With that being said , can someone tell me what the lengths of the halyards should be.

I pretty much know what blocks,fairleads etc, I will need.

I'm thinking about running both halyards down the starboard side? Ive seen it done both ways and my guess is that its a matter of preference?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:55 pm

I'm wanting to go this direction as well, so I'd appreciate the blocks, faileads, etc that Skyking is not interested in as well as how you have your lines laid out. And, I almost forgot, I really liked the jib downhaul concept someone had on here a looooong time ago. I want to incorporate that as well.

By my understanding that means:
Main halyard
Jib halyard
Jib downhaul (or down halyard?)
Jib sheet starboard
Jib sheet port
Main downhaul

Beady · Post by **Beady** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:47 am

skyking:

I will try to get out and take some photos of my boat. There is a forecast that says by the end of the week we should be close to fifty (yea). I used what the previous owner had set up. I have some issues with the blocks that run the halyards back into the cockpit and I want to make some changes this spring. I am very interested in this topic so for the rest of you pictures please.

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:58 am

Thank you..

I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone is doing..

My main concern is raising & lowering the sails. I dont have a roller furling so " yet"

N=But what ever you can share to help Paul as well..

thank you...Tim

mcrandall · Post by **mcrandall** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:19 pm

Count me in on whatever discussions/photos may follow. Very interested in this topic!

Thanks!

Windward · Post by **Windward** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:35 am

On Windward the reefing and halyards are at the mast. It seems I often want to adjust the way the sail's flaking as I reef, or for some other reason find I need to be at the mast anyway. The third reef uses a line at the clew but a snap shackle at the tack, so unless I double-ended the halyard I'd have to either change the tack connection or run forward to secure the tack and then back to the cockpit to adjust the halyard

It would also be one more set of lines to stumble over on a boat that sometimes resembles a cat's cradle anyway. That said, I've considered running them back.

Since there's a furler on the jib, I do have that control aft. If I had no furler, I might run the jib halyard and a downhaul aft. I'm thinking of doing that on the Bristol once I get to the stage where she's usable.

I do have the outhaul, cunningham and vang run back to the underside of the traveler (which has its own control lines), and use them all frequently as I sail. To me, it's much more important for those to be aft than the halyards. I also have the two sheet tweekers that adjust from the cockpit, plus permanently attached preventers on either side. Lately I've been experimenting with barber hauls on the jib sheets, too. It's a busy place, with lots of string laying about.

The spinnaker tack downhaul is also at the cockpit, but since I usually singlehand the halyard remains at the mast. I have a small tackle I use on the jib halyard to quickly adjust tension, and I've thought of running that to the cockpit. The backstay adjuster is in the cockpit, of course, but where else would it be?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:26 am

Sheet tweekers? Please say more!

Kevin Dreher · Post by **Kevin Dreher** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:22 pm

wow, i have a lot to learn...its going to be fun.

Windward · Post by **Windward** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:59 pm

I use the sheet tweakers to adjust the fairlead position... sort of a poor man's adjustable track, although some of the mini-transats are using this arrangement now so I guess it's headed uptown.

I don't have good pics of my current setup, but it's similar to what I was using here:

The bottom block is a Harken Carbo 40 Hexaratchet, which I added snap shackles to. The upper block here is a Holt-Allen snatch block, but I've since swapped that for a Harken Carbo 40 around the sheet connected to a Harken Carbo 29 that the tweaker line goes through. A cam cleat on the aft end of the cabin trunk makes it easy to adjust underway. The line is just 1/4" NER Regatta Braid. It is fairly cheap, doesn't hockle and is easy to grip.

You can see it in action here, along with a barber haul:

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:41 pm

Simple and inexpensive solution - I like it. Drawing the sheet tweeker down has the same effect as moving the fairlead forward. Cool!

Windward · Post by **Windward** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:08 pm

It works surprisingly well. Huge advantage to the slotted toe rail. I've been playing with the barber haul to provide some lateral stability, because the long tweaker line isn't quite as stable has having the sheet run down to a hard-mounted fairlead. It helps a little upwind, but really isn't necessary... I think I just like to have string to play with.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:18 pm

Windward wrote:... I think I just like to have string to play with.

You may be part cat!

Bhacurly · Post by **Bhacurly** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:08 pm

Too funny there Jeff,,,

But I don't know,,, My wife thinks I'm busy enough tweeking what lil I have already,,, add a few more lines to play with and??? Maybe thats why you sail solo so much

Windward · Post by **Windward** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:10 am

For me it's that or develop social skills.

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:27 pm

Beady wrote:skyking:

I will try to get out and take some photos of my boat. There is a forecast that says by the end of the week we should be close to fifty (yea). I used what the previous owner had set up. I have some issues with the blocks that run the halyards back into the cockpit and I want to make some changes this spring. I am very interested in this topic so for the rest of you pictures please.

Beady...please dont forget the pictures when the weather clears..Were also going to get a warm up this week as well. so since no one has a measurement for the halyards I will measure my existing ones and add 6 or 8 ft to the length.

As for the blocks, there is a place over here in western PA the has pretty god prices on blocks , line, equipment , etc..

if you go to their website they will send a free catalog..

www.sailcare.com

Beady · Post by **Beady** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:31 pm

Attached is a link on how the main and jib halyards are rigged on my boat. The blue line is the main and the yellow is the jib. The red line is there to show how the jib sheets are run. (And yes the jib halyard is a mess the 90 degree block needs to be replaced and the line is messed up). I have the minimum amount of lines and I have tried to color code them. My wife does not care what a sheet or a halyard is called so I only say pull in the red line or let out the blue line etc. If you want people to come out with you make it as simple as possible so that they have fun and are not intimidated. They may just like it and want to come back. Sail La Vie is not the fastest boat but she is no slouch either.
http://www.trinityroadimaging.com/Other ... b3F2e-A-LB

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:12 pm

Briian,

Thank you for the photos..

I was thinking along those same lines..One question that I have is since both of the halyards are coming down to the double block, do you have a problem with them being out from the mast? I was thinking that I want to keep them as close to the mast as possible? I really couldnt tell from the picture?

Thanks again...Tim

Beady · Post by **Beady** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:18 pm

Tim:

The location of the double block is not a problem. These are the halyards so as long as the lines run free you should be ok. I have never had any problems raising or lowering the sails.

brian

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:33 pm

Okay then...i will post pictures of my progress as soon as the weather permits...

I just ordered a new LED Steaming Deck light to go along with the list of upgrades.

mcrandall · Post by **mcrandall** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:13 pm

Thanks for the pictures, Brian!

Hey Tim- What light did you end up with? Do you have a website?

mariner · Post by **mariner** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:39 am

Mark, it looks like you did some work to your trailer from your pics. Can you tell us about it?
thanks

mcrandall · Post by **mcrandall** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:30 pm

Sure Mariner! I'll do a separate post later today.

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:25 am

mcrandall wrote:Thanks for the pictures, Brian!

Hey Tim- What light did you end up with? Do you have a website?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SAILBOAT-MAST-MOUNT ... 4cf274094f

They also have regular one for 29.95

mcrandall · Post by **mcrandall** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:42 pm

Thanks Tim!

Seems someone was just talking about this type of light. Do you know if it's "Coast Guard Approved?"

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:26 pm

Seems someone was just talking about this type of light. Do you know if it's "Coast Guard Approved?"

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I havnt received it yet, but as soon as I do i will let you know...

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C 22 Rigging to cockpit

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