22 fixed Keel

Wai Whare · Post by **Wai Whare** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:49 pm

I'm looking to put my Chrysler 22 Fixed Keel boat in a Container to ship 6000Km cross country.
I Know you are an inventive lot so here are my problems.
1. How to remove the fixed keel ?
2. With the keel off how to get a 7'9" beam through a 7'8" Container door with some clearance inside
and 3. with the keel off maby should I look at putting in a centre board or canting keel.

your input greatly apreciated.

CaptainScott · Post by **CaptainScott** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:21 pm

Forgive me for I know not what I'm doing other than I'm NOT answering your very direct question.

Have you considered the cost of selling and simply buying another near your new location? I can not imagine shipping a container big enough for the Chrysler hull is cheap.

You may gain the needed width by removing the toe rail but again, I'm back to cost and effort vs getting a different boat.

I do not have a fin keel so I could only guess that it is bolted on with through hull set of bolts.

Scott

LeatherneckPA · Post by **LeatherneckPA** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:30 pm

Equally ignorant here, but why not just contract a regular boat hauler to put it on a trailer with a cradle built for that purpose and carry it across the country? Is a container really going to save you that much money that it's worth the aggravation?

Alanhod · Post by **Alanhod** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:41 pm

Welcome aboard!

Hmmm, now for your question.

I have often considered what it would take to put my swing keel in a in a shipping container. I was interviewing for a job in Hawaii and I of course need my C-22 and it's trailer with me if I went. There is a 25 year waiting list for moorage on Maui so you have to trailer your boat.

I had not contemplated the boats width, just it's height sitting on the trailer which was too high.

So I'm thinking, give up the container. I found there are many companies that ship boats for you. Again they can be pricey as I recall. I would get on the internet and get 2 or 3 of them to give me a bid for moving the boat. A Fixed Keel C-22 I believe is a rare beast if I am not mistaken.

Captain Scott's advise from a logical financial point of view is 100% correct and on target. Too much work way too much money. Sell and buy another one.

From a emotional stand point, you can have my beloved C-22 when you pry it from my cold dead fingers. The boat MUST be moved, damn the expense and time.

Thanks
Alan

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:50 pm

I am guessing here but, unless it is the mysterious fin keel version you probably can not remove the keel. If it is a fin type keel you may be able to unbolt it from the inside and remove it but even then it would probably be more work than it is worth.

I would say finding a trailer and modifying it to haul the boat yourself is the best bet. It is not uncommon to see fixed keel sailboats this size on a trailer.

Wai Whare · Post by **Wai Whare** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:35 pm

A few thing I did not mention. I am shipping all house goods in a container 40'x8'x9'6'' and figure I have the room for the boat If I can get it in.
A trailer boat with 3'9"draft is a hard sell and moorings are hard to get on the praries.
The move is to build a house on the water side in Nova Scotia, with a house to build SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED would not look kindly on looking for a new (bigger) boat.
Life is a compromise.

sauerleigh · Post by **sauerleigh** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:16 pm

Fin keels usually have SS studs embedded in the casting, my Cat 25 has five that look to be about 1" in diameter. The keel will need to be well supported and movable once the hull is lifted off, the weight given is around 1010lbs. You might be able to remove the toe rail on one side to give you enough clearance to move the boat into the container and you'll need a good cradle to support and lash the hull to. Inspect the studs, washers and nuts, re-bed the area between the keel and hull and fair the joint, you'll be ready to go. It'll be some work, but it's doable. Some of the members here have done quite a bit with a few pieces of lumber.

Best of luck.

mcrandall · Post by **mcrandall** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:24 am

My aunt and uncle live in Halifax, he's a chiropractor in case you need one after all that!

A very hearty good luck with your endeavor!

EmergencyExit · Post by **EmergencyExit** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:28 am

"SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED " Reference noted !

I'm thinking that the FK Chryslers, 26 and 22 were not bolt on keels but part of the hull mold, and so aren't detachable...

lecker68 · Post by **lecker68** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:07 am

I agree with EE and the other thing to consider is even removing the toe rail to get the width and lashing to a cradle in a container you are stil going to have movement and I would hate to see the hull sides destroyed not to mention the household items in the way when it moves. The one other thing I could mention to check on would be find or build a cradle or trailer and check on rail transport. With a trailer you could drop at terminal and when it gets to new location you pick up. If it is another country it would go through customs in either way and could be much cheaper than commercial boat hauler.

Jmckamey · Post by **Jmckamey** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:13 pm

Even if you could get the keel off, tring to manuver it around on some type of crate would be a real bear, and if it broke loose during the move... well, ouch!!

I don't think anything in the container would survive. Another thing to deal with is getting the boat in and out of the container. The floor of the container will be four feet off the ground, can't use a fork lift. I've stuck many a helicopter in crates for overseas shipping and I can tell you it ain't easy.
I was moved by my company once a long time ago and had to fly back to retrive my 240z and Hobbie Cat 16. Pulled that thing from Fresno CA to Lynchburg VA. Talk about some funny looks going down the road. I'd have to say if it were me I would just modify a trailer and pull it. You need one anyway. A lot less work in the end, plus ups the value of the boat/trailer package. Good luck with whatever method you use.

sauerleigh · Post by **sauerleigh** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:19 pm

Photos of a C22 fixed keel.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... s%3DPublic

Looks like a big chunk of lead to me. This boat has been for sale for about two years. The asking price last year was something like 7K.

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:25 am

I am sure there is/was at least one fixed keel trailered boat on this forum.

Here is one http://www.chryslersailors.com/discussi ... ile&u=1232

Perhaps you can PM this member and ask how his is manufactured.

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:40 am

Remember too that even with the keel removed it will still weigh in at around 2000 lbs, this is not a sunfish you can just turn sideways and toss it in

Jmckamey · Post by **Jmckamey** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:10 am

Maby you could post some pictures of your keel.

TravisJ · Post by **TravisJ** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:42 pm

I've often wondered how the fixed keel is attached. It looks like the same bracket and pin in my boat as I've seen others post on how to replace the brackets. It makes me nervous sometimes to think one pin is all that's holding a 1,000 lb piece of lead to a 35 year old hull.

If you take your fixed keel off I sure would like to see a photo of it. Here is a photo of mine when I bought it and had it hauled down to the lake near my house:

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:26 pm

Yep looks like a fin keel to me, sounds like they may have used one type of hull and just fitted a fixed keel in the trunk with the same brackets and pin to hold it in place. It would fit with an auto manufactures thought process.

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:07 am

Banshi wrote:I am sure there is/was at least one fixed keel trailered boat on this forum.

Perhaps you can PM this member and ask how his is manufactured.

I have a fixed keel C22..

I will get into the boat this weekend and get some pictures, I have never looked into the mechanics of how its attached.

Sorry for not responding sooner , but I have been quite busy...

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:20 am

Finally I can get back online at home...I will post pictures from inside the boat later today..I need to go outside and drain the lakes of melted snow that have squashed the tarps down to the deck..Once I do that I can get inside and take pictures,,

I do appologize for the delay...

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:40 am

Okay...Here are the pictures of how the full keel is attached to "MY TYME"

There are 6 covers 3 on each side, so you do have access to the nuts and bolts.
Two white covers that are covering the bolts that actualy hold the keel in place.

The center Black cover has the pin under it , whick looks to be brass..going thru the keel.It looks like there is a large washer/bushing bolted in for the roughly 1 1/2" diameter pin to go thru so that it wasnt just supported by wood..Good thinking!!

I would have to think that the keel could be removed fairly easily by first supporting the tremendous weight from below..and then remove the 4 mounting bolts 2 for & 2 aft. then drive the pin out.

If you look close enough you can see that I have a little bit of water in where the pin is located..
So thanks to you guys needing some pictures, I will be resealing the bottom of the hull around the keel with some 3M 5200 prior to launching this spring..

You can see where someone has put sealant on the bolts surrounding the pin...Not sure what was going on there?

If you guys see any thing that I should be concerned about please let me know...

Alanhod · Post by **Alanhod** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:36 pm

Nice photo's and explanation of the fixed keel Tim. I always wondered how they built it and if the interior had more room not needing the trunk for the swing keel. Looks the same except for the fore and aft access ports for the keel bolts.

In a word. Cool!

Thanks
Alan

skyking · Post by **skyking** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:57 pm

I used a turkey baster to suck the water out of the keel trunk today..I have to wonder how long its been there? I had a small leak last spring which is why I pulled the boat to re-seal the keel / hull joint..

My guess is that the water has been in there all year or otherwise it should have drained back out the way it entered..unless of coarse there wasnt a large enough hole..maybe the pressure from the water was enough to help it in??

I will reseal it again this spring and keep an eye on it..

mcrandall · Post by **mcrandall** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:40 pm

I laid paper towel on the sills inside the boat just before a rainstorm, and sure enough, the water was coming in at that hull/deck seam. Of course from there is makes it's way all over the place following gravity.

I have the same water problems you see and I have to believe this is the major source of water infiltration. May not be the only in point, but I know it's definately a serious one! After I get this sealed, I'll watch for more--such is the fate of the old boat owner.

Yeah, and that's old-boat owner, not old boat-owner...Alan.

excavman · Post by **excavman** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:07 am

I know several of you have seen this custom keel in an earlier thread. It is bolted to cross members set in the hull and faired in so there is absolutely no seam. When I did the bottom paint I got a close look at it. It is seven feet long and about a foot thick just forward of the wings, a symetrical airfoil. It is only 14 inches deep giving me a draft of approx. 28 inches. I haven't had her on the water long enough to say anything about the effectiveness but that is soon to change, hopefully next Monday.

Larry

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l50 ... elrear.jpg

Alanhod · Post by **Alanhod** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:30 pm

Larry,

I must say I am quite curios to hear how this keel works out. In theory you may have the coolest keel of us all. My thinking/concern would be leeway. I'm hoping that the wings take care of the leeway issue. It would be expensive and time consuming but I think if I ever had to do the keel again you winged keel would be the way to go.

Thanks
Alan

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