my mast weighs a ton

guyaks · Post by **guyaks** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:07 am

Hello Fellow chrysler owners and sailers.

this may sound like a dumb question....But.....how do you put your mast up?

first my mast weighs alot...and i need two people to raise it. i have to stand in the cockpit area and start lifting while a buddy of mine(wife can't do it) attaches the front winch of the boat trailer to the front wire....and he starts a cranking....while me starts a lifting....God forbid wind comes, the mast starts to go one way or another. (i do have all my wires connected before i lift...except the front one)

is it supposed to be this difficult?

is there a way i can do it solo?

is the mast supposed to be that heavy?

just asking, because i am such a beginner...

thanks again

Guy

parared · Post by **parared** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:31 am

Check out this helpful guide to raising the mast by Capt. Scott, a regular here.

http://www.captainscottsailing.com/SteppingTheMast.php

I also have some pictures online at

http://arclite.dyndns.org:8111/~chris/c22/index.html

showing how I made a gin pole. Instructions on how to make a bridle are around too, if you don't have one.

guyaks · Post by **guyaks** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:35 am

i don't know what a gin pole is or a bridle...but if it will help me....i will build one or buy one.

parared · Post by **parared** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:38 am

Well, a jin pole is just a pole that give you leverage when raising the mast. The bridle holds the pole and mast to the deck in a nice firm grip.

Look over this thread too,

viewtopic.php?t=1027&highlight=

from back when I first raised mine, but most of what you need to know is on Capt Scott's page.

Capt. Bondo · Post by **Capt. Bondo** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:43 am

You don't need a special gin pole the stock boom is designed to handle that function just fine.

guyaks · Post by **guyaks** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:52 am

i don't have a stock boom, i had to make one out cedar, and i don't think it is the right strenght or size to work right

Alanhod · Post by **Alanhod** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:17 pm

CaptainScott · Post by **CaptainScott** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:57 pm

If you decide to step the mast solo, take a very good look at your options.
As you already know there are a lot of forces at play here. Use caution and check everything twice!

I see you've already been pointed to my page for stepping the mast!

FYI 3 people can step the mast fairly easily and fairly quickly without special tools. Two long ropes to the top of the mast. One going forward to port and one forward to starboard. 1 person in the cockpit lifting as you described. Then one person on each rope pulling evenly and slowly. The person in the cocpkit would then guide the two others. A mast hinge helps emensly. I stepped the mast once without a hinge. For the money, I'll never do that again.

Scott

J. Austin · Post by **J. Austin** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:08 pm

Sounds like you can kill 2 birds with one stone.
You need a boom and a gin-pole.
It maybe time to find a used boom or build one from aluminum.
There is not much to em'.
We all would give you all the dimensions you need.
Good luck.

Alanhod · Post by **Alanhod** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:50 pm

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:06 pm

Since I'm a trailer sailer wanabe... I like the concept of the hinged step, but I have to take the mast off each time out. Would'nt it be great - or maybe it already exists, if the hinged step had a removable hinge pin so you could lower, pull the pin and the mast would be free to tie down for transport.

Just thinkin' out loud

Paul

FranS · Post by **FranS** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:45 pm

Is this what you are talking about?
http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/kenyon_spa ... _assm.html

Alanhod · Post by **Alanhod** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:01 pm

Yup, you called it. The hinge pin comes out of the hinge plates so you can trailer the whole rig. It's a very simple design.

Thanks
Alan

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:46 am

Unless the OEM step is damaged the hinged step really doesn't have any advantages over the original in fact with the original you don't even have to pull a pin. You definitely need a gin pole or the boom and bridles to step alone, that said it is fairly easy once you get set up.

CaptainScott · Post by **CaptainScott** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:43 am

With great respect to Banshi I disgree with this statement:
the hinged step really doesn't have any advantages over the original

With the hinged mast base, the mast is literally pinned to the boat in place. There is no way the mast base can pop out slip out or jump off the mast step. There is a breif time from when I slide the mast horizontally into place before raising and the time it takes to get all the lines cables or what have you's ready to actually raise the mast. It is this period that the mast can shift, slide, roll, get bumped ( I'm good for that ) or whatever. The little hook on the mast step is great when the mast is wedged in place but when the mast is free floating I have found the hook inadequate to hold the base in place.

When I pin my mast base in place using the hinge, I can walk, jump, bounce, trip over things, etc and the mast base stays put. Yes I do have to insert the pin when stepping and remove the pin when unstepping the mast however this process is so simple and well worth the security the hinge offers me.

just an FYI:

Here is the original:

Here is the hinge:

Once the mast is down, I put the pin back in place so I do not loose it! I also carry a spare pin since this hinge comes with TWO pins!
Gotta love it! LOL!

Keep in mind though if you use this hinge it will raise your mast slightly. Given all our boats are old and the rigging is very likely stretched this is usually not a problem. Just be aware if you keep your shrouds and stays tight you may want to loosen them just a tad to avoid any undue stress on your rigging.

Scott

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:56 am

" The little hook on the mast step is great when the mast is wedged in place but when the mast is free floating I have found the hook inadequate to hold the base in place. "

I solved that issue early on with a bungy cord, wrapped around the step and hooked to the halyard cleats on either side. Keeps it firmly in place and at 300 lbs, usually stepping my mast alone, I do plenty of bouncing around

At some point i will switch but it won't be until the step degrades to the piont it appears it will fail structurally. If the hook is cracked or broken off it would be time to switch. I have stepped it enough times now though that I know it is going to stay in place.

sailbob2 · Post by **sailbob2** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:56 pm

Been there done that, having the mast get away from me that is, no damage except for the mast finger broke. I was thinking of changing to a stainless steel mast hinge like the ones shown here, but I have a concern. There are tremendous forces (torque) at work when rasing and lowering the mast and when/if they get away from you would the mast hinge end up tearing your mast step right out? The current step is held in by screws vs bolts and will tear at the screws or, like in my case, break the finger thus reducing damage to the fiberglass? I'm not an Engineer but I know some things are designed to fail to prevent more severe damage. What ya think? I'm interested in this discussion.

mariner · Post by **mariner** » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:31 am

for those who do not have this info, you can download a bunch of files, photos etc. from Chrysler on how to raise the mast, there is also a guide in the owners manual. IMHO the original method works like a charm if you use the bridals.

https://download.yousendit.com/THE2TG0ySytlcEkwTVE9PQ

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:04 pm

Thanks Mariner! There were 5 pages I had not previously found in other owner's manuals! I'm beginning to understand the process. Now if I could just get the holes in the bottom of the boat plugged so it will float!!!

Paul

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